[Yanel-usage] uploading to a web server, how ?

[Michael Wechner]

Am 12.01.14 17:44, schrieb Bård Grape:
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> Den 2014-01-10 21:01, skrev Michael Wechner:
>> Am 10.01.14 00:14, schrieb bard at grapefilm.com:
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>>> Thanks Michael again for your feedback!
>>>
>>> push and pull via git sounds ideal or what would snowden say to that
>>> :-) I mean the git just seems to access my computer directly ?
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>>  not if you use something like github. In the case of github it means,
>> that when you push, the changes will go to github,
>>  which means somebody else (for example us) can pull it from there. If
>> you make your content open source, then github will be for free, if
>> not, then it would be starting at USD 7 per month
>>
>>  https://github.com/pricing [1]
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> so it's free when the build is transparent on github yes
> and the private repositories are there for those who want to protect
> their code ?

it doesn't have to be code, just files in the end ;-)
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> When you say content you mean the build I guess,
> For me usually it's the media files I want to publish

with content I meant media files, but also your custom CSS, javascript, etc.
> Would I push those sometimes big files too via git (except when I just
> link to vimeo/youtube) ?

I am not sure whether github has a file size limit, I would assume they
have.
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>>> What do you charge for hosting ?
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>>  we are not a hosting company ourselves, but depending on what your
>> requirements (space, etc.) are we would either "add" your realm to our
>> own Yanel instance, which would probably be around USD 5-10 per month
>> or if you need more space and power, rent a dedicated virtiual server
>> at linode for USD 20, which would be owned by yourself completely
>>
>>  https://www.linode.com/ [2]
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>>  Hence in total (github and Tomcat/Virtual Server) it would be around
>> USD 12 to USD 27 per month
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>>> My current apache 2.2-- gives me 5 gig at a very reasonable rate.
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>>  how much do you currently pay?
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> 60 euros a year inc vat

that's really quite cheap

>>
>>> I am looking towards the possibility to run live videostreams in the
>>> future - is tomcat right for that ?
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>>  it depends what exactly you mean with videostreams? You mean kind of
>> youtube, vimeo? Or that while your record people can watch?
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> like a live transmission

I guess it's better to use a dedicated specialized solution for such
transmissions and just link from the website to it.
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>>> Does the linode technology mean that the site wil be mirrored on
>>> several servers around the world ?
>>  Kind of, because the servers are virtual, I guess these are mirrored
>> on the backend somehow, but I don't think linode gives a guarantee.
>> But if you keep the content inside github, then you will have it
>> mirrored anyway, because it will be on at least three physical
>> locations:
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>>  - Your laptop
>>  - github
>>  - hosting provider (e.g. linode)
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>>  I think this will make it quite safe ;-)
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> Safety seems to be an important part of what you do building Yanel!

let's say reliability ;-)
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> What is next step if I want to go ahead and use your web server via git?

I can setup a tentative realm for you and also a tentative github
repository on our server
and then you can give it a try and if you like it (including the process
of using it), then we can we proceed from there.
As said we are not a professional hosting business ;-)
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> cheers from the arctic !

greetings from the edge of the alps

Michael
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> Bard
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>>  Best regards
>>
>>  Michael
>>
>>> Thanks !
>>>
>>> Bard
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Michael Wechner" <michael.wechner at wyona.com>
>>> To: yanel-usage at wyona.com
>>> Date: Jan 8, 2014 9:15:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Yanel-usage] uploading to a web server, how ?
>>>
>>> Hi B�rd
>>>
>>> It depends a bit what your hosting provider allows you to do or
>>> rather
>>> what you are allowed to do on your web server.
>>>
>>> Normally one would install Apache Tomcat on the webserver. For
>>> example
>>> we are using linode.com where we can do whatever we want.
>>>
>>> Or choose a hosting provider which is providing Apache Tomcat out of
>>> the
>>> box. (search for "hosting Apache Tomcat")
>>>
>>> Once you have setup an environment with Apache Tomcat, then you can
>>> deploy your Yanel webapp inside Apache Tomcat
>>> and point your domain/DNS to this server.
>>>
>>> Another possibility is to run Yanel locally and every time you make
>>> content changes, dump your Yanel based website as static html pages
>>> and
>>> copy these static pages via FTP or scp to your web-server which is
>>> running a regular webserber, for example Apache httpd.
>>>
>>> Another possibility is that you pay a "small" fee and we will setup
>>> a
>>> git repository for you (or that you setup one yourself at github)
>>> and
>>> also provide the hosting environment on one of our servers (shared
>>> linode), which would mean the following workflow:
>>>
>>> - You run Yanel locally on your laptop based on a git repository and
>>> can
>>> do all changes yourself (even offline)
>>> - Every time you make a change, you commit and push via git
>>> - We will receive a notification and will pull your new content via
>>> git
>>> onto our webserver
>>> - Voila your website will be up to date to the public
>>>
>>> This would give you greatest flexibility and full control
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Am 08.01.14 17:53, schrieb B�rd Grape:
>>>
>>>> How do I upload yanel to a web server?
>>>> I just briefly created some html pages within yanel and would like
>>>> to
>>>> know the steps after this. The files are still within the provided
>>>> file tree of the demo - but how do I create my own file-tree - and
>>>> get
>>>> the thing up and running on my web server ? sorry for my non tech
>>>> questioning :-)
>>>>
>>>> bard
>>
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>> Links:
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>> [1] https://github.com/pricing
>> [2] https://www.linode.com/
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