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    Dear Darius<br>
    <br>
    Am 11.06.13 13:22, schrieb Darius Miliauskas:
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cite="mid:CAM6O59cYcwjv-6KLi7z1M7vgDKHKbgzzJOmTwwpyut5L=cHfvw@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>Dear Michael,<br>
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        <div>Thank you for your feedback! According your answer, some
          questions I need to explain more.</div>
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        <div>1) Yes, I followed the instructions which is on <a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html"
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"
            target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html</a> and <a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git"
            target="_blank">https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git</a></div>
        <div>To be more precise, instead I installed GitHub just added
          Yanel on my PC.</div>
        <div>To make more convenient navigation, you can add the link
          from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html"
            target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html</a></div>
        <div>to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/unix.html"
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"
            target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/unix.html</a> and <a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/windows.html"
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"
            target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/windows.html</a><font
            face="arial, sans-serif">.</font></div>
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    <br>
    I am still not sure I understand, because these pages already
    cross-link each other.<br>
    Can you send a patch of the XHTML in order to show what changes you
    would made?<br>
    <br>
    The XHTML of the Yanel documentation/website can be found at<br>
    <br>
    YANEL_SOURCE/src/realms/yanel-website/data-repo/data/<br>
    <br>
    hence for example <a moz-do-not-send="true"
      href="http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html"
      target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html</a>
    corresponds with<br>
    <br>
    <br>
YANEL_SOURCE/src/realms/yanel-website/data-repo/data/download/source-repository.html<br>
    <br>
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cite="mid:CAM6O59cYcwjv-6KLi7z1M7vgDKHKbgzzJOmTwwpyut5L=cHfvw@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div><font face="arial, sans-serif">2) I would add in the
            README.txt file. I would change, for example,</font></div>
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          </font></div>
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          <div>"2) Start Yanel by running</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>        UNIX: ./yanel.sh start</div>
          <div>        Windows: yanel.bat start"</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>to </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            <div>"2) Start Yanel by running</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>        UNIX (Linux and Mac OS): ./yanel.sh start</div>
            <div>        Windows: yanel.bat start"</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>The same in the lines:</div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>
              <div> "1) Build Yanel by running</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>        UNIX: ./build.sh quick-start</div>
              <div>        Windows: build.bat quick-start"</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Did you get me?</div>
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    <br>
    yes, I have changed it now and already pushed to github (please do a
    "git pull")<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">3) Yanel was not correctly installed,
          therefore, I couldn't start and run it. The last sentence just
          describe the practical pattern which the user experiences. He
          open my browser ("Safari"), type "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://127.0.0.1:8080/yanel/" target="_blank">http://127.0.0.1:8080/yanel/</a>"
          in the address bar, and got the certain message on his
          browser. I add the screen shot as the attachment to explain
          what I meant.</div>
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    but from the screenshot it seems like you didn't enter the port 8080
    and the yanel prefix<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Which improvement to describe in <a
            moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues"
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"
            target="_blank">https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues</a>?
          Do you mean the one with the message in the browser or the one
          when I mistyped "./build.sh quick-start"? Or the one that
          "quick-start" does not precisely carries the meaning of
          installing Yanel?</div>
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    that if someone is typing build.sh or yanel.sh without any
    arguments, that then these shell scripts will tell you which
    arguments are possible and what they are used for<br>
    <br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">4) I was talking about some help for
          the user during he types in Terminal.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">For example, type <i>./build.sh /?</i></div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">and get</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><i>clean-all    Clean a previous build<br>
          </i></div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><i>quick-start    Build Yanel by
            running<br>
          </i></div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">
          <i>start     Start Yanel by running</i></div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">or type <i>./build.sh </i>help</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">and get that</div>
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          <br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Yanel is a great tool bla bla</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">The most commonly used Yanel commands
          are: </div>
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          <div class="gmail_extra"><i>clean-all    Clean a previous
              build<br>
            </i></div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><i>quick-start    Build Yanel by
              running<br>
            </i></div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><i>start     Start Yanel by running</i></div>
        </div>
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    <br>
    <br>
    this improvement you should add to<br>
    <br>
    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
      href="https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues"
      style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"
      target="_blank">https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues</a><br>
    <br>
    also see 3)<br>
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cite="mid:CAM6O59cYcwjv-6KLi7z1M7vgDKHKbgzzJOmTwwpyut5L=cHfvw@mail.gmail.com"
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            5) You can use "yanel" command as, for example, "git"
            instead of typing "<i>./build.sh</i>". I do not know whether
            such replacement is possible, and how to make it. Do you
            get?</div>
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    no, I don't understand. Do you mean that there is only one shell
    script called yanel.sh instead build.sh and yanel.sh ?<br>
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          <div class="gmail_extra">The last lines (4) and 5)) was just
            suggestions for a possible improvement.  <br>
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    that's why you should add them as enhancements to<br>
    <br>
    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
      href="https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues"
      style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"
      target="_blank">https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues</a><br>
    <br>
    Thanks<br>
    <br>
    Michael<br>
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          Best Wishes,</div>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Darius</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/5 Michael Wechner <span
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                href="mailto:michael.wechner@wyona.com" target="_blank">michael.wechner@wyona.com</a>></span><br>
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              <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear Darius<br>
                <br>
                Thanks very much for your feedback. Please find my
                comments/questions inline below<br>
                <br>
                Am 04.06.13 22:34, schrieb Darius Miliauskas:
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                    <div dir="ltr">Dear All,
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                      <div>I have some questions/suggestions regarding
                        the experience which I had trying to install
                        Yanel on the PC (Apple MacBook). The PC runs Mac
                        OS X (Version 10.7.5). The important suggestions
                        were marked as bold, not to make you lost in
                        such a long text.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>1) I downloaded/installed GitHub (<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git"
                          target="_blank">https://help.github.com/articles/set-up-git</a>),

                        before I was required to create my account
                        there.</div>
                      <div>First of all, I needed to open Terminal.<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I made a directory with the command: mkdir
                        src;</div>
                      <div>Then I put the following line: git clone <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://github.com/wyona/yanel.git"
                          target="_blank">https://github.com/wyona/yanel.git</a></div>
                      <div>However, I got an error:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><i>-bash: git:command not found</i></div>
                      <div><i><br>
                        </i>That was the first serious issue I met. <b>The
                          same issue the other users found with Mac OS X
                          (Lion) system</b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/mountain-lion-git-fix/"
                          target="_blank">http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/mountain-lion-git-fix/</a>.<br>
                        In order to solve the issue, I needed to find on
                        AppleStore and install Xcode. It is a gratis
                        software used to code the applications for MAC.<br>
                        After the installation I needed to install he
                        Command Line Tool via the preferences of Xcode.</div>
                      <div>Finally, it worked.</div>
                      <div>2) I followed the instructions,</div>
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                which instructions exactly did you follow? Was it<br>
                <br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html"
                  target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html</a><br>
                <br>
                ?
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                      <div> and put Yanel on my PC. However, I was not
                        sure how to build and run it. I open README.txt
                        file in the directory Yanel (command line: open
                        README.txt)</div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </div>
                do you think we should add a link/note to<br>
                <br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html"
                  target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/download/source-repository.html</a><br>
                <br>
                pointing to<br>
                <br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/unix.html"
                  target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/unix.html</a><br>
                (or <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/windows.html"
                  target="_blank">http://www.yanel.org/en/getting-started/windows.html</a>)
                <div><br>
                  <br>
                  ?<br>
                  <br>
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                      <div>a) the command "quick-start" is used to build
                        Yanel on the PC, not just start Yanel.</div>
                      <div>So, it is definitely required to build the
                        code before to run Yanel on your PC.</div>
                      <div>b) <i
style="font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16px">Mac</i><span
style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16px"> OS

                          X, is a series of </span><i
style="font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16px">Unix</i><span
style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16px">-</span><i
style="font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16px">based</i><span
style="color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif;line-height:16px"> graphical

                          interface operating systems. Not everybody
                          knows it. In the README.txt <b>I will add a
                            line like *for Mac OS X use UNIX.</b></span></div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </div>
                where exactly would you add this line?<br>
                Can you send a patch?
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                      <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"
                          color="#444444"><span style="line-height:16px">3)
                            The process of build&run was the
                            following:</span></font></div>
                      <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"
                          color="#444444"><span style="line-height:16px">make
                            sure you are on the directory of Yanel, for
                            example, in my case: </span></font></div>
                      <div><font face="arial, sans-serif"
                          color="#444444"><span style="line-height:16px"><br>
                          </span></font></div>
                      <div><i>new-host:yanel kristinaslekyte$</i></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>kristinaslekyte is a name for the PC (the
                        owner is Kristina Slekyte).</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>so, it should be:</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div><i>new-host:yanel YourPC$</i><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>so I put the following commands:</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div><i>export
                            JAVA_HOME=/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Home</i></div>
                        <div><i>echo $JAVA_HOME</i></div>
                        <div><i>./build.sh quick-start</i><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>the line with export is required to avoid
                          "ERROR: No JAVA_HOME set!"</div>
                        <div>echo just justify that the command export
                          worked out.</div>
                        <div>In the case you want to terminate processes
                          in Terminal, click "control+C".</div>
                        <div>In order to build it is important to put
                          "./build.sh quick-start" without any mistypes,
                          otherwise, even the build successful you will
                          get the following error when you run Yanel:</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div><i>BUILD FAILED</i></div>
                          <div><i>/Users/kristinaslekyte/src/yanel/src/build/targets/cruise-control/continuous-integration.xml:25:

                              The following error occurred while
                              executing this line:</i></div>
                          <div><i>/Users/kristinaslekyte/src/yanel/src/build/targets/cruise-control/continuous-integration.xml:59:

                              No Tomcat is set inside
                              local.build.properties! Please note that
                              if you build Yanel from scratch, then you
                              should use the 'quick-start' target (<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="https://github.com/wyona/yanel"
                                target="_blank">https://github.com/wyona/yanel</a>).</i></div>
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                          <div>So, finally, I built it, and I could run
                            with the line:</div>
                          <div><br>
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                          <div><i>./yanel.sh start</i><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Then open my browser ("Safari"), and I
                            put "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://127.0.0.1:8080/yanel/"
                              target="_blank">http://127.0.0.1:8080/yanel/</a>"
                            in the address bar. I got the page instead
                            the message that the page cannot be opened.</div>
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                Can you explain your last setence here what you mean
                exactly?
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                            <div>BRAVO, Yanel is running on my PC.</div>
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                            <div>4) <b>Actually, it would be nice to
                                get know what commands I can use with
                                Yanel in terminal, like</b></div>
                            <div> <br>
                            </div>
                            <div><i>./yanel.sh ?</i><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>? stands for "start".</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Perhaps, I can put just yanel, and get
                              the lines what I can do like I got when I
                              typed "git":</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div><i>The most commonly used git
                                  commands are:</i></div>
                              <div><i>   add        Add file contents to
                                  the index</i></div>
                              <div><i>   bisect     Find by binary
                                  search the change that introduced a
                                  bug</i></div>
                              <div><i>   branch     List, create, or
                                  delete branches</i></div>
                              <div><i>   checkout   Checkout a branch or
                                  paths to the working tree</i></div>
                              <div><i>   clone      Clone a repository
                                  into a new directory</i></div>
                              <div><i>   commit     Record changes to
                                  the repository</i></div>
                              <div><i>   diff       Show changes between
                                  commits, commit and working tree, etc</i></div>
                              <div><i>   fetch      Download objects and
                                  refs from another repository</i></div>
                              <div><i>   grep       Print lines matching
                                  a pattern</i></div>
                              <div><i>   init       Create an empty git
                                  repository or reinitialize an existing
                                  one</i></div>
                              <div><i>   log        Show commit logs</i></div>
                              <div><i>   merge      Join two or more
                                  development histories together</i></div>
                              <div><i>   mv         Move or rename a
                                  file, a directory, or a symlink</i></div>
                              <div><i>   pull       Fetch from and merge
                                  with another repository or a local
                                  branch</i></div>
                              <div><i>   push       Update remote refs
                                  along with associated objects</i></div>
                              <div><i>   rebase     Forward-port local
                                  commits to the updated upstream head</i></div>
                              <div><i>   reset      Reset current HEAD
                                  to the specified state</i></div>
                              <div><i>   rm         Remove files from
                                  the working tree and from the index</i></div>
                              <div><i>   show       Show various types
                                  of objects</i></div>
                              <div><i>   status     Show the working
                                  tree status</i></div>
                              <div><i>   tag        Create, list, delete
                                  or verify a tag object signed with GPG</i></div>
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                    <br>
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                </div>
                yes, I think that would be nice.<br>
                <br>
                Can you open an issue on github and describe this
                improvement:<br>
                <br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues"
                  target="_blank">https://github.com/wyona/yanel/issues</a>
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                          <div><b>Secondly, the user would enjoy if he
                              can just get help immediately in Terminal,
                              and put question mark to get the lines
                              with the suggestions what to use further.</b></div>
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                I am not sure I understand, can you make an example?
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                          <div>Thirdly, is it possible just to type like
                            yanel build or yanel start?</div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </blockquote>
                  <br>
                </div>
                I am not sure I understand this either. Can you also
                explain a bit more?
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                          <div>I learnt a lot while I installed Yanel on
                            the PC.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div> </div>
                          <div>All the Best,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Darius Miliauskas</div>
                          <div> Lithuania</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>p. s. I am thankful for my girlfriend
                            Kristina Slekyte (her Apple I used), and for
                            Michael Wechner (Wyona), his assistance was
                            tremendous while I went through the issues.</div>
                        </div>
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                Thank you very much for sharing your experiences. I
                think it helps us a lot to improve Yanel.<br>
                <br>
                Best wishes<br>
                <br>
                Michael<br>
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