[Yanel-dev] Re: Rant re Yanel installement

[Michael Wechner]

Gary Jones schrieb:
> Michael Wechner wrote:
>   
>> Alec Bickerton schrieb:
>>     
>>> highlights some of the issues that work against us.
>>>
>>> http://www.wynia.org/wordpress/2007/04/24/atom-publishing-protocol-setting-up-yanel-on-ubuntu/
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> Simon was forwarding this some ago. Quote:
>>
>> "Setting it up was surprisingly simple, once I worked out what exactly
>> needed to be installed. While it's relatively simple, it *isn't* quick.
>> The install takes a LONG time, so make sure the machine you're using can
>> be left running for a while."
>>
>> so I think the problem is that he is no Java guy and he used the source
>> instead the binary version
>>     
>
> That's what I understood, too (he even says in the article this is why
> he dislikes Java), but the JAVA_HOME thing caught me the other day as
> well. It's something one only does once in a while, when moving to a new
> OS or computer, or upgrading Java, and it is easy to forget that you
> have to do it manually. As he said, it would be helpful if when one
> installed a Java package that it actually did all that was necessary to
> actually use that package (this applies to at least the Ubuntu and
> Windows Java installs); it's a really basic usability issue IMO.
>   

currently the build scripts are pointing this out and I don't know how 
to further improve this.
Any suggestions are very welcome ;-)
> Should we contact him and ask whether he completed the move to Yanel,
> and if not a) is there anything we could do to help, if he is still
> interested, and (maybe more importantly for us) b) what stopped him
> doing so?
>   

sure, whereas I think he was really interested in Yulup/Atom/Neutron and 
not in Yanel itself.
But please ask him, because I am sure we can learn something in order to 
improve
> It would definitely be worth pointing out that the initial build process
> is slow because it drags down all the dependencies during that process.
>   

good point, Maybe we can display a note saying something like

"Please be patient, because dependencies are resolved ..."
> I'm not sure whether there is anything we can do to improve that (any
> ideas? is it possible to have several dependency downloads running in
> parallel, if one has the bandwidth available?) 

I guess one needs to check with Maven
> but if it is a pain point
> for people then it is something we should look at, IMO, otherwise the
> short attention span developers like me might give up before getting
> around to trying it out.
>   

at some point the dependencies need to get resolved, so I do so only two 
possible improvements

1) Displaying a note such that people are aware of it (a progress 
report, saying for example "25 of 78 dependencies resolved", but I am 
not sure if this is possible)

2) Reduce the amount of initial dependencies

WDYT?

Cheers

Michael